ultrasonic dog trainer
Anyone have experience with prong/pinch collars? I’ve done my research on training tools and have talked about them with my trainer. After weeks of regular intense obedience work (leave it, watch me, come, heel, re-visiting everything, leash corrections, treats, exposing her to things that excite her, regular work with other dogs, etc.) she still reacts to birds, squirrels, people, and other dogs on walks. She tends to lunge, and as of yet we can’t figure out how to get her attention to "snap" her out of it or correct.
What we’ve tried alongside of intense training and exposing:
- ultrasonic devices : work for minor things but she ignores it if she gets really excited.
- chicken and other treats : she spits them out to keep barking and scent doesn’t distract her
- slip collar : ignores corrections
- Halti/Gentle Leader : helped with pulling but not lunging and tends to frustrate her more than anything
Our next step is prong collar or e-collars. I would rather try the less expensive
I know these are just tools and i won’t give up on obedience training – i just need something that can get her attention and correct her from the behavior so i can get her attention BACK on me.
Her attention is on me the rest of the walk, and she listens well. She just has trouble with animals and people and it’s like her ears fill with cotton and she won’t even listen for chicken.
Would rather use a training collar than e-collar as they sound to be easier to use and not as easy to "mess up" or correct at the wrong time.
I also heard that the collar needs to be high up on the neck – well, my girl’s neck is TINY and sort of long. I have trouble keeping the slip collar high up so how would i keep a prong collar high up?
We discussed it with the trainer, who is going to keep an eye out for a small enough collar (the store we frequent was out of the tiny ones.) She will show me how to use it, i’m just curious about how others use them and how to fit it on a dog with a thin longish neck in case i find one up closer to my place.
Any other suggestions for training help would be welcome as well. ^_^
She’s a schnauzer poodle mix, about 15-20 lbs (closer to 20 now.) One year old. She heels the entire walk with minimal pulling until she sees a bird or dog or person (then she lunges and barks.) She’s never spun around or twisted to get out of a collar.
I know tools can’t replace training but she IS trained, she’s just very reactive to things coming at her or in a yard (though she’ll ignore a dog in a fenced yard with a sharp "leave it" form me.)
We are working on the training part (me and trainer) and she’s going into advanced class – once she’s around the dogs for a while she is perfectly fine and is the perfect little listener.
I guess the collar would be used to help stop the lunging during walks more than anything.
dogsbestfriend – i don’t "like" Cesar MIllan i just refuse to judge anyone based on a TV show. I use some of his methods, yes, but none that are "dangerous" and none that make my dog "fear me." From what i see on his shows he doesn’t make a dog "fear him" he makes them respect him.
Some methods are outdated, yes, but that doesn’t mean they don’t work. For example (one i use often) my aunt’s dog is dog aggressive. The first two trainers they had used positive reward methods that you and some others talk about – and it made him worse because sure he didn’t lunge at the dogs, but he still growled and showed aggression signs. A third trainer used SIMILAR methods to Cesar (no rolling, no grabs, but leash corrections and energy focus) and it helped the dog a great bit.
He also says "training" and "psychology" are two separate things – he doesn’t train, he works with the basics like energy and dominance vs submission.
I will check out your advice.
Nancy – First, she’s been through two eight week courses and is going into a third eight week course. She does well in the courses after she’s been around the dogs, and she does well the rest of the time at home – no pulling, she listens to commands when i say them, and we rarely have any trouble with her (stealing items, running away, etc) anymore since my parents started training her as well.
How do you suggest i get her attention during her "outbreaks" then? That’s the only time she reacts – birds, dogs, people, squirrels – and she can go from a good solid "watch me" to an all out barking fit. Sometimes she’ll even sit/stay and continue to go nuts!
Like i said we "talked" about using tools. I know that tools don’t replace training. She may not be the best trainer but she’s one that has classes and private classes during times i can actually DO and she’s one i can actually AFFORD. Everything else in my area is too expensive for me to afford at present and are at inconvenient times.